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Re: How to avoid distasteful peace-making

As you well know the vast majority of Palestinians were born exactly where they live. Touche. I suppose I should state that their roots on specific cities and not in the land as a whole. It's not like a European Country where you're a Frenchman or an Englishman. It's literally a connection to a spe...
by odp1
Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:29 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: How to avoid distasteful peace-making
Replies: 115
Views: 416

Re: How to avoid distasteful peace-making

This isn't strictly accurate, as we have come close to a deal on several occassions. Have we? Certainly there were the Camp David negotiations which in the West were considered to come close to a deal. It doesn't seem to me like Arafat and the Palestinians thought that we were close to a deal. My u...
by odp1
Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:38 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: How to avoid distasteful peace-making
Replies: 115
Views: 416

Re: How to avoid distasteful peace-making

The only thing I take for granted is my attitude towards the deal itself. I believe It is a known document, something already obvious, with the contents within already discussed. There will be no surprises in store. Unlike other peace deals, this one doesn't really have to be negotiated, it needs t...
by odp1
Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:39 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: How to avoid distasteful peace-making
Replies: 115
Views: 416

Re: Foreign Policy: Is the 'Lebanonization' of Iraq complete

Jacob Blues wrote:This one is for, ah hell, I'm blanking on his name, our favorite poster of discussing the topic of Arab Honor. There are a few interesting quotes in here that I'm going to break out in the next post. Enjoy, JB


Fox?
by odp1
Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:29 pm
 
Forum: Articles
Topic: Foreign Policy: Is the 'Lebanonization' of Iraq complete
Replies: 3
Views: 20

Re: You may all now call me Dr. Lynn. ;)

Congrats Doc.
by odp1
Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:42 pm
 
Forum: Congratulations & Celebrations
Topic: You may all now call me Dr. Lynn. ;)
Replies: 28
Views: 125

Re: Israel Through European Eyes

Ah, I see the confusion. Let me put it in better context. Perhaps you are asking yourself the following: If this is right, and the comparison between Israel and the most odious political movement in European history is hard-wired into the new paradigm of international politics that is quickly advanc...
by odp1
Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:14 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Israel Through European Eyes
Replies: 23
Views: 82

Re: Israel Through European Eyes

Really, would you like to tell that to the Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians etc. whose nation-states have only flourished since the collapse of the Soviet Union Western World solely. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to who it is that is making the absurd claim that Germany and France have no right...
by odp1
Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:09 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Israel Through European Eyes
Replies: 23
Views: 82

Re: Israel Through European Eyes

People sympathize with victims, underdogs. The Palestinians are seen as the underdogs. Therefore, what they do can be excused, what Israel does can't. Hence, the double standard. And of course, since the Palestinians are victims, they have to be dealt with delicately, hence the impossible standard ...
by odp1
Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:00 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Israel Through European Eyes
Replies: 23
Views: 82

Israel Through European Eyes

It's an interesting argument. Not sure how much of it I buy, but I think it has some validity. To put this in slightly different terms, it’s not the maintenance of a security zone in South Lebanon, or Israeli control of the Gaza Strip, or a raid on a Turkish blockade runner’s boat that is reponsible...
by odp1
Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:05 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Israel Through European Eyes
Replies: 23
Views: 82

Re: Economist's unforgivable silence on Sayyid Qutb's anti-Semit

Jacob Blues wrote:Washington Post
Op-ed
The Economist's unforgivable silence on Sayyid Qutb's anti-Semitism
By Richard Cohen



I've found the transformation of Richard Cohen from anti-Zionist to pro-Zionist lite fascinating. Just comparing what he wrote ten years ago to what he writes now shows his progression.
by odp1
Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:40 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Economist's unforgivable silence on Sayyid Qutb's anti-Semit
Replies: 2
Views: 29

Re: Economist: Turkey and its rebel Kurds

Fascinating, I wonder if he thinks the Kurdish women should have a say in the matter. I would presume not.

They don't like Kurds.
by odp1
Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:56 pm
 
Forum: Articles
Topic: Economist: Turkey and its rebel Kurds
Replies: 3
Views: 39

Re: French MPs vote to ban Islamic veil

To quote 'wikipedia' is not at all persuasive. I feel you misunderstood what I was noting. I was pointing out that the term "the tyranny of the majority" exists. You can see by the fact that it's on wiki that it's a) popular and b) used by influential figures. So you agree that there are ...
by odp1
Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:40 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: French MPs vote to ban Islamic veil
Replies: 27
Views: 134

Re: French MPs vote to ban Islamic veil

Gerald wrote:Lynn with the greatest possible respect you cannot have a "tyranny of the majority".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
by odp1
Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:19 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: French MPs vote to ban Islamic veil
Replies: 27
Views: 134

Re: French MPs vote to ban Islamic veil

I take it your Supreme Court is democratically elected isn't it? It is not. They're judges nominated by the President and confirmed by the senate. Once appointed, they're in for life. Or are you happy for an unelected body to subvert democratically taken decisions? How dare they! They'll want to ab...
by odp1
Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:09 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: French MPs vote to ban Islamic veil
Replies: 27
Views: 134

Re: French MPs vote to ban Islamic veil

I'm glad to say that I don't think this would fly in the US. In some states I'm sure it would. There would be a huge uproar and the Supreme Court would call the legislation unconstitutional, but it could definetely get a majority in support in some states. This case shows why there needs to be chec...
by odp1
Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:47 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: French MPs vote to ban Islamic veil
Replies: 27
Views: 134

The Age of the Zipped Lip

Paul Berman takes the thesis of his outstanding new book, The Flight of the Intellectuals, to the pages of the Wall Street Journal and dubs the age we live in that of the Zipped Lip. “You are not,” he writes, “supposed to observe that Islamism is a modern, instead of an ancient, political tendency, ...
by odp1
Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:40 pm
 
Forum: Articles
Topic: The Age of the Zipped Lip
Replies: 0
Views: 36

Re: Suicide Bombing Still Occuring

Aren't you worried that if the US would pull out, Iraq would just be another Lebanon? Maybe even worse than that. They're already another Lebanon while Iran is Syria. The problem is that just like how Lebanon's independence is somewhat important to the West, letting Iran control Iraq would be devas...
by odp1
Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:35 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: Suicide Bombing Still Occuring
Replies: 19
Views: 153

Re: Deja vu?

Harumph. Obviously, that's not case. I would argue most and few based on what I've seen. I've been seeing a lot more of few and few lately. Well, if I lived in Cochav V'Shahar, I'm sure I'd see more than a few. If I lived in Tel-Aviv, I wouldn't see as many. It's relative, isn't it? Let me rephrase...
by odp1
Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:24 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Deja vu?
Replies: 24
Views: 205

Re: Deja vu?

Lynn wrote:Harumph. Obviously, that's not case. I would argue most and few based on what I've seen.


I've been seeing a lot more of few and few lately.
by odp1
Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:26 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Deja vu?
Replies: 24
Views: 205

Re: Deja vu?

Of course not every pro-Israeli. I don't think anyone is making that claim. But the vast majority does on principle. So I started off by saying, “How many of you identify yourselves as pro-Israel,” hands went up. “How many would identify yourselves as pro-Palestine,” hands went up. “I want to ask t...
by odp1
Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:07 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Deja vu?
Replies: 24
Views: 205

Re: Deja vu?

I don't understand what the polls are trying to prove. That the idea of every pro-Israel supporter is willing to accept a Palestinian State(i.e is a moderate) isn't true. Most of the Pro-Israel people that I've recently listened to in real life have been very much against the idea of a Palestinian ...
by odp1
Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:21 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Deja vu?
Replies: 24
Views: 205

Re: Happy Birthday!

Happy Birthday!
by odp1
Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:29 pm
 
Forum: Congratulations & Celebrations
Topic: Happy Birthday!
Replies: 11
Views: 47

Re: Deja vu?

Lynn wrote:
odp1 wrote:Really? So, Yisrael Beitanyu supports a Palestinian State?


Of course.


Hmmmph, serves me right.

Next time I stick with polls when arguing something like this. It's probably more accurate.

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=48307

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=43912
by odp1
Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:24 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Deja vu?
Replies: 24
Views: 205

Re: Deja vu?

I wish it wasn't. It could be that I haven't been talking with the right people. Or that those full of hate just talk the loudest and the most often. Interesting. I wonder what they think about us? Actually, I think I know the answer to that question and can assure you that it's nothing very good. ...
by odp1
Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:12 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Deja vu?
Replies: 24
Views: 205

Re: Deja vu?

On one thing I totally agree with Dershowitz on. There are very few pro-Palestinian people. 99% of those who call themselves pro-Palestinian are just anti-Israel and full of hate. Pro-Palestinians are a rare breed. Yikes. A tad harsh, don't you think? If Israel were to reach a final status agreemen...
by odp1
Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:14 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Deja vu?
Replies: 24
Views: 205

Re: A new Abbas

sabashimon wrote:Let me know when he repeats some of this stuff in.......Arabic. :roll:


Think of it this way, even if he is saying it in English, it's still more Israel friendly then most of the world. That's gotta count for something, right?
by odp1
Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:00 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: A new Abbas
Replies: 5
Views: 124

Studies Show Genetic Similarities of Jews

Studies Show Genetic Similarities of Jews By NICHOLAS WADE Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually t...
by odp1
Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:59 pm
 
Forum: Articles
Topic: Studies Show Genetic Similarities of Jews
Replies: 1
Views: 60

Re: Michael Gerson (Wash Post): Europe's burqa rage

I don't think it's against US law. There is a university in Massachusetts that bans the niqab that actually has a campus in a pretty ugly city that I'm simply not interested in remembering... but then again it is Mass. Everyone knows they're racist there, so it's not so surprising. Are you talking ...
by odp1
Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:32 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Michael Gerson (Wash Post): Europe's burqa rage
Replies: 12
Views: 156

Re: Michael Gerson (Wash Post): Europe's burqa rage

Honestly to date, I have yet to see anyone wearing a Burqa in the US. I've seen Hijab's a plenty, and on an extremely rare occassion a chador, but Niqui's or Burqua's, nope. I have seen women wearing Burkas where I am. It's very rare, but I've seen it. I don't think it's against US law. There is a ...
by odp1
Fri May 28, 2010 2:05 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Michael Gerson (Wash Post): Europe's burqa rage
Replies: 12
Views: 156

Re: Pollution Tax

Better tax everything, just to be safe. Probably. low self esteem, eating disorders and girls aren't good at math Of course. Low self-esteem means that girls will go out with guys, if they don't think they're good at math then they'll be afraid to think for themselves and if they have eating disord...
by odp1
Thu May 13, 2010 5:51 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Pollution Tax
Replies: 6
Views: 138

Re: Pollution Tax

but it's caused enough worry for plenty of research to be funded on how to filter contaminated water properly. In this case, maybe the tax isn't so badly placed. The problem is that in the US, we find out that some of these contaminants are worth worrying about ten years after the fact. PCBs, PBDEs...
by odp1
Thu May 13, 2010 4:12 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Pollution Tax
Replies: 6
Views: 138

Re: OECD Accepts Israel as Member, Group Expanding to 34

Jacob Blues wrote:
Lynn wrote:
The only thing I see them being used for

Should I presume you've never been to their website or read any of their reports?


Hey Oren,

I'm assumeing that you're pointing to HRW and A/I as the "their" in your comments?


Yup.
by odp1
Wed May 12, 2010 6:06 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: OECD Accepts Israel as Member, Group Expanding to 34
Replies: 9
Views: 201

Pollution Tax

Gas-station owners want tax overturned Angered by environmentalists' push to more than double the tax on oil and other chemicals, an association of gas-station owners has sued the state to overturn the tax altogether. By Jim Brunner Seattle Times political reporter OLYMPIA — Angered by environmental...
by odp1
Tue May 11, 2010 1:27 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Pollution Tax
Replies: 6
Views: 138

GMs new electric car

Mark your calendars — General Motors fires up the Volt assembly line on Nov. 1. Lyle Dennis over at GM-Volt.com got his hands on the 2011 model year ordering guide the brass sent to dealers, and it says that’s the day GM plans to begin building production models of the Chevrolet Volt. The General al...
by odp1
Tue May 11, 2010 1:22 pm
 
Forum: Science
Topic: Electric Cars coming to the US
Replies: 1
Views: 25

Electric Cars coming to the US

Sit down and take a deep breath, EV fans. The Nissan Leaf electric car will cost $32,780 when it rolls into showrooms in December. Add in the federal EV tax credit, and the bottom line is $25,280, a price that makes the Leaf competitive with the Honda Civic and the Toyota Prius. Nissan announced the...
by odp1
Tue May 11, 2010 1:20 pm
 
Forum: Science
Topic: Electric Cars coming to the US
Replies: 1
Views: 25

Re: OECD Accepts Israel as Member, Group Expanding to 34

The only thing I see them being used for Should I presume you've never been to their website or read any of their reports? But in the grand scheme of things, are any of them important at all? Depends on how much public opinion is worth. They aren't the arbitrators of any decisions, but they do coll...
by odp1
Tue May 11, 2010 12:53 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: OECD Accepts Israel as Member, Group Expanding to 34
Replies: 9
Views: 201

Re: Interesting op-ed on the Hezballah Scud issue

Jacob Blues wrote:What's interesting is that this is the party line that Bernie was arguing in the 2012 and "no Arab settlements" threads.


There's a lot more support for Bernie's ideas in the Arab World that people give him credit for.
by odp1
Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:44 pm
 
Forum: Hezbullah
Topic: Interesting op-ed on the Hezballah Scud issue
Replies: 5
Views: 60

Re: Something's up on the Gaza/Egyptian border

Margie wrote:It sounds as if all tunnels have been closed for business : perhaps it's because of Yom haatzmaut. What do you think?


I agree that this is what it sounds like. I wonder whether or not it IS.
by odp1
Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:53 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: Something's up on the Gaza/Egyptian border
Replies: 7
Views: 200

Re: Something's up on the Gaza/Egyptian border

Which or should I say WHOSE tunnels have been closed off?
by odp1
Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:11 pm
 
Forum: Today's talking point
Topic: Something's up on the Gaza/Egyptian border
Replies: 7
Views: 200

Re: Wall St. Journal: How About an Arab 'Settlement' Freeze?

Um, Oren, that is a recreation of Lebanon and would be based on Israel occupying Syria. I don't see that happening. Syria itself may dissolve, and Israel may need to continue to cross the border to handle random terrorist / guerrilla groups, but I don't see it falling apart like that. It's a bit to...
by odp1
Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:15 pm
 
Forum: Speakers' Corner
Topic: Wall St. Journal: How About an Arab 'Settlement' Freeze?
Replies: 70
Views: 399
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